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  UK Virgin Tilt Crash - dodgy points?
Posted by: Mick - 25-Feb-2007, 10:45 AM - Forum: International Railways - Replies (1)

From the BBC world news. There are some small pictures at the link. In common with the QR tilt accident, the strength of the cars prevented a greater loss of life and injuries.

dateline= Wrote:Up to 700 sets of points across the entire rail network are to be checked as a \"precaution\" following the Cumbria crash, Network Rail has said.

Investigators earlier said the accident, in which a woman died, could have been caused by a points failure.

Experts are focusing on one set that the Virgin Trains Pendolino ran across before derailing near Kendal.

Rail expert Christian Wolmar told the BBC that the points could have been defective with loose nuts and bolts.

Margaret Masson, 84, of Glasgow, died and eight other people were seriously hurt when the London to Glasgow train derailed at Grayrigg, near Kendal, at about 95mph on Friday evening.

Network Rail said engineers had already started the nationwide safety checks of between 600 and 700 sets of points.

The checks are to be carried out on high-speed rail lines on older tracks where trains travel above 85 miles per hour.

Network Rail, which is responsible for maintaining track, hopes to complete the checks within the next 24 hours.

Christian Wolmar told BBC News 24 he understood the circumstances were thought to be similar to those in the Potters Bar crash.

In that crash, in May 2002, seven people died and 76 were injured when poorly maintained points derailed a train.

\"From what I understand, they have found these points in a similar condition to those at Potters Bar, with some missing nuts and the stretcher bar which keeps the rails properly apart apparently loosened,\" he said.


We are devastated by the death of our nan
Margaret Jones, granddaughter of Margaret Masson

Family 'distraught'

Mr Wolmar said it was up to Network Rail to ensure that the points were properly maintained and that \"things like loose bolts, loose bolts and nuts, were tightened up regularly\".

He added: \"But there is also the possibility that these nuts and bolts were maintained in the wrong way, or not sufficiently maintained, and that's why they were in that condition.\"

The chief executive of Network Rail, John Armitt, acknowledged that there might have been a points failure. He said the points were last serviced earlier this month, and that track maintenance was carried out by Network Rail employees.

Some 22 people, including Mrs Masson's daughter and son-in-law, Margaret and Richard Langley, were taken to hospital after the accident at 2015 GMT on Friday, while dozens more were \"walking wounded\".

Margaret Jones, 41, the granddaughter of Mrs Masson, from Cardonald in Glasgow, said the family was \"devastated\" by her death and the fact that her parents were in hospital.

Of the eight patients who were seriously injured, five are improving in hospital, while three remain in a serious condition.

Passengers suffered a mixture of head, back, neck, leg and some internal injuries.

The driver of the train, Ian Black, suffered a broken collar bone and a broken bone in his neck, his union Aslef has said.

Both the union and Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson said the former police officer, 46, was \"a hero\".

Mr Black had come around a corner, Sir Richard said, to find the line defective before the train started to leave the line.

\"He's carried on sitting in his carriage for nearly half a mile, running the train on the stone - he could have tried to get back and protect himself but he didn't, and he's ended up quite badly injured.

\"He is a definitely a hero. In the sober light of day we will have to see if he can be recognised as such.\"

Sir Richard also said the strength of the Pendolino train had helped to limit the number of casualties.

British Transport Police incident officer Supt Philip Trendall said it was up to Network Rail and the train operators to decide when to reopen the line, but he warned it could take a week or more to complete the crash inquiry.

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  Welcome to Wheels on Steel (Wots it all about then?)
Posted by: Mick - 23-Feb-2007, 08:28 AM - Forum: General - Replies (70)

Hi All

Welcome to Wheels on Steel. Here is an explanation of what goes on in here and why.

About the software: The software used to run this forum is called Vanilla. This forum software is different. It's not meant to be the same as other forum software you may have used. Vanilla was chosen as it is highly modularised and can be very light on resources. It is quite new on the Open Source forum scene but already has an impressive array of features. If you're interested in learning more about Vanilla then take a look over here.

If there is a feature you would like to see here (because perhaps it is something you are used to on different forum software) it can probably be installed. Let us know.

When you first log on, you we be in the discussions page. This is sorted by the most recent discussions regardless of what categories they appear in, with the stickies on top. If you want a more traditional list of categories (ie like in failpage), simply click the Category menu item. You can turn off categories that you will have no interest in, and you can turn off many of the features installed as extensions, like signatures and online status.

We are not a rebel forum nor have designs on rail forum conquest. We hope there will be little to no interference by moderators because the controlled nature of the membership through invitation should look after itself. This will keep the topics discussed out of the public domain and therefore members will be free to discuss even controversial topics that some forums try to stifle. Most members here will be either involved in the rail industry (mainstream or T & H) or closely aligned to it. Most will have stories to tell and we would love to hear them here! Eventually we will probably cook up some terms and conditions but it is not high on the priority list.

The developer and main moderator of this site is Fatty, and for some reason he has given me admin access as well. Have fun here - spin your yarns and get those rants off your chest.

Wheels on Steel came about as evolutionary growth from the Ballyhooley Forums which outgrew its original function as a volunteers bulletin board. At the same time there were members of other rail communities expressing dissatisfaction with groups they were involved in. Their complaints were taken on board and the site was structured to meet as many needs as possible. The site was developed in Cairns, and the server it is running on is in Brisbane.

Cheers,
Mike

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  Do they have the internet in Gympie?
Posted by: fatty - 22-Feb-2007, 06:36 PM - Forum: General - Replies (26)

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  ARHS tours
Posted by: Mick - 22-Feb-2007, 01:02 PM - Forum: Queensland - Replies (6)

From the ARHS members report for the ATRQ meeting comes this:

dateline= Wrote:A number of special Mainline Tours have been organised including a nine-day steam trip to Quilpie in April with AC16 221. This trip is now booked out with all 66 places taken. If interested in part travel, contact Ray on 3252 1759 10am-3pm Tues-Thurs to see if he can fit you in somewhere. A 5-day, daylight railmotor trip to Cairns is going in July and places are available on that.

Anyone know anything about the Cairns railmotor tour? We keep hearing rumours that the Savannahlander is going to Atherton this year. Unfortunately we did not start this. I wonder if the ARHS motors are heading out there?

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  NCL Daylight Running
Posted by: geinthend - 22-Feb-2007, 12:15 PM - Forum: Queensland - Replies (13)

The North Coast Line between Townsville and Cairns seems to be restricted to daylight operations again. Trains 6CP1, 6C49, 6C55, 6252, 67P2 and 3936 are all in operation today. Most of these trains are nocturnal by nature. Must be due to the big wet again!? Confusedurfing:

If I was a gunzel, I would be in nirvana! Confusedmoking:

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  Kuranda Range
Posted by: Mick - 22-Feb-2007, 11:00 AM - Forum: Queensland - Replies (71)

Due to closure of rail traffic on the Kuranda Range, the Savannahlander units will need to be relocated to Mareeba by road. This will probably happen on the 5th of March.

Discussing the range with QR, we found out that due to rain no work has actually started yet. It now appears there is about 8 weeks work on the range, but this is from when they start work after it drys out a bit (there is still March to go yet).

One proposal is to build a tunnel (open cut and back fill) at this site due to the instability.

QR plan to run shuttles from Kuranda to Stoney Creek although there are some access to maintenance issues to be worked through before this can happen.

Initially the Savannahlander will run Mareeba Forsayth and return. We can't get to Kuranda from the top due to ballasting requirements after re-railing a section between Koah and Kuranda. The ballast train is stuck in Cairns.

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  Cattle Train (as seen on BSR forums)
Posted by: Mick - 22-Feb-2007, 10:54 AM - Forum: Queensland - Replies (7)

Okay, got the gen on the cattle train that keeps appearing and disappearing from the Portsmith Yard.

Those who have heard 6202 and 6C05 on the radio were correct assuming it was the cattle train. It is being used for driver tuition between Cairns and Townsville. This is the reason for the appearance and disappearance. There are two sets running, with the tutors changing trains at Cardwell

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  QLD Where is it?
Posted by: fatty - 18-Feb-2007, 12:50 AM - Forum: Queensland - Replies (10126)

Where is it?

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