C17 820 and 802
#1
Hi folks,

Wondering if anyone can shed some light on these two loco's and more to the point the matching with the MK3 tender. Was this an in service matching or preservation one.

Cheers
Rob
#2
What exactly do you want to know and what is a MK3 tender?
#3
(29-May-2013, 08:22 PM)AC16 Wrote: Hi folks,

Wondering if anyone can shed some light on these two loco's and more to the point the matching with the MK3 tender. Was this an in service matching or preservation one.

Cheers
Rob

Hope this helps with whatever you need light shed upon.....

18/3/53 1m17c Gayndah branch Derailment of C17 802 on 66 Special, due to excessive speed.

6/12/53 110m39c near Boomerang Derailment of C17 802 on 166 Special, due to excessive speed over a hole in the road.

15/2/55 Murgon Derailment of C17 802.

23/5/55 Baddow Collision of C16 511 and 124 Special (PB15 460, C17 802) at the station.

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12/6/54 33m38c Capella Failure of C17 820, due to a broken axle.

11/10/60 Longreach Collision of C17 820 and a Zephyr sedan at a level crossing near the loop.

26/9/62 Port Alma , Inquiry 1314 Collision of a meat train special (hauled by a DEL) and C17 820 on a spoil train.

25/1/63 1m60c Yeppen Collision of C17 820 (on 94 Up) and a Chev Impala sedan.
#4
Hope this helps with whatever you need light shed upon.....

18/3/53 1m17c Gayndah branch Derailment of C17 802 on 66 Special, due to excessive speed.

6/12/53 110m39c near Boomerang Derailment of C17 802 on 166 Special, due to excessive speed over a hole in the road.

15/2/55 Murgon Derailment of C17 802.

23/5/55 Baddow Collision of C16 511 and 124 Special (PB15 460, C17 802) at the station.

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12/6/54 33m38c Capella Failure of C17 820, due to a broken axle.

11/10/60 Longreach Collision of C17 820 and a Zephyr sedan at a level crossing near the loop.

26/9/62 Port Alma , Inquiry 1314 Collision of a meat train special (hauled by a DEL) and C17 820 on a spoil train.

25/1/63 1m60c Yeppen Collision of C17 820 (on 94 Up) and a Chev Impala sedan.
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Cheer for that it did I think.

What I mean by MK III tender is the one usually associated with the Sedan Cabs (eg sudo BB18) rather than the earlier C16 tenders found on the first and second batches.

Both 820 and 802 were in the second Batch of locos so when released they were fitted with the standard C16 tender but at some point BB18 tenders were added (as 802 currently shows at MVHR) I am in the process of having a C17 built for me in 7 1/4 and earlier loco with the later tender and both 802 and 820 survived (for a short time at least in the case of 820 in preservation with the larger tender

Cheers
Rob[/align]
#5
This probably won't be an overly helpful suggestion, but I'm modelling the Nickel Plate which had a proclivity for swapping tenders on locos almost every other week. To model this I've pretty much had to pick a year and month, and then model the tenders on those locos based on photos dating to that year...which is a challenge. Your best bet might be going with any of the 'in use' photographic evidence you have. As an aside, and merely an observation, while I imagine some of the older C17s did run with newer tenders at some point, I can't say I've seen much evidence suggesting it was normal or long term practice, so in the case of your loco and putting a modern tender on it, you may be modelling a brief snapshot in time rather than the loco's actually appearance for most of its life...but as the owner and operator that's entirely your perogative, I've done the same Big Grin
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#6
Cheer for that it did I think.

What I mean by MK III tender is the one usually associated with the Sedan Cabs (eg sudo BB18) rather than the earlier C16 tenders found on the first and second batches.

Both 820 and 802 were in the second Batch of locos so when released they were fitted with the standard C16 tender but at some point BB18 tenders were added (as 802 currently shows at MVHR) I am in the process of having a C17 built for me in 7 1/4 and earlier loco with the later tender and both 802 and 820 survived (for a short time at least in the case of 820 in preservation with the larger tender

Cheers
Rob[/align]
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The first C17 to be built with a sedan cab and welded tender was Nº 858 in 1938. All subsequent engines were similarly fitted when built. Nº 840 was the last of the class to enter service with the old style tender. Tenders were occasionally swapped during service, often at overhauls and sometimes even in running sheds if say an engine in traffic had a tender which developed a defect and an engine stopped for repairs had a suitable serviceable one that could take its place. Incidentally, Ipswich Shops had, for a time, a pool of ex C19 tenders for temporary use on C17, B18¼ or BB18¼ engines that had completed their overhauls before their own tenders were available. The engine number for which a tender was built was stamped into the left hand edge of the headstock while the number of the engine to which it was currently attached (if that was for other than a very short period) was painted on the rear in the usual place. Details of the tenders attached to engines were recorded on history cards.

Whilst I can’t remember seeing an old style C17 running with a welded tender, it possibly did happen at some time. On the other hand, Nº 983 which was built with a welded tender ran with an old type during its last years of service.

I don’t know where you got the name “MK III” from; it is not a term that was used by the railway. The welded tender on the C17 engines was the same as that fitted to B18¼ Class from Nº 841 onwards. The BB18¼ tenders are a different design with larger capacity.


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